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	<title>Comments on: 47Hats is now a Microsoft BizSpark Partner</title>
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		<title>By: Justin Magaram</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-31593</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Magaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t clear to me how to retain the same set of benefits after the 3 years end. What is a typical/normal path for a small startup company after the 3 years? Team Suite retail is very expensive. Empower offers Visual Studio Professional, not one of the team versions. I&#039;ve looked at the Microsoft partner web site and find it very confusing with all the different types of partners and &quot;points&quot;. If I want to get Team Suite after the 3 years at a substantial &quot;partner&quot; or &quot;slpa&quot; discount, what do I need to do? I don&#039;t want to take tons of hours of classes to earn points - I&#039;m fully capable of learning all the tech stuff on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t clear to me how to retain the same set of benefits after the 3 years end. What is a typical/normal path for a small startup company after the 3 years? Team Suite retail is very expensive. Empower offers Visual Studio Professional, not one of the team versions. I&#8217;ve looked at the Microsoft partner web site and find it very confusing with all the different types of partners and &#8220;points&#8221;. If I want to get Team Suite after the 3 years at a substantial &#8220;partner&#8221; or &#8220;slpa&#8221; discount, what do I need to do? I don&#8217;t want to take tons of hours of classes to earn points &#8211; I&#8217;m fully capable of learning all the tech stuff on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Show #38: Gabriel Torok, PreEmptive Solutions &#171; The Startup Success Podcast</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-31504</link>
		<dc:creator>Show #38: Gabriel Torok, PreEmptive Solutions &#171; The Startup Success Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-30269</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for contacting me so quickly after my email.  It looks like a great program (BizSpark)but it takes great people like you to make it happen.  It only took a few moments to sign up and now I am waiting for the backend stuff to process through.  Wrapping up design so the timing is going to be great.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for contacting me so quickly after my email.  It looks like a great program (BizSpark)but it takes great people like you to make it happen.  It only took a few moments to sign up and now I am waiting for the backend stuff to process through.  Wrapping up design so the timing is going to be great.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-30131</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - It is: I&#039;m in email catchup mode at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; It is: I&#8217;m in email catchup mode at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: John McAleely</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-30130</link>
		<dc:creator>John McAleely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, is the generous offer of bizspark sponsorship still open? I sent an email over the holiday season, and I&#039;m worried it might have been eaten en-route by a spam filter.

My MicroISV is just starting out on a .net music product, and BizSpark seems like a really good fit for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, is the generous offer of bizspark sponsorship still open? I sent an email over the holiday season, and I&#8217;m worried it might have been eaten en-route by a spam filter.</p>
<p>My MicroISV is just starting out on a .net music product, and BizSpark seems like a really good fit for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-30080</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jackson,
1. You can after leaving BizSpark continue using the development tools (note- not the production licenses!), but until you buy a regular MSDN subscription, you don&#039;t get updates/upgrades. Now that will work for a while, but if there&#039;s one thing Microsoft does is fix/update their software! So realistically, you&#039;re going to need MSDN.
2. You can be in BizSpark 3 years - regardless of whenever you formed your startup company:

From http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/d/4/4d41081a-d8d9-407a-9bae-5127e6e931ca/BizSpark%20Startup%20Program%20Guide.pdf:

How long can I participate in BizSpark? 
For three years (renewed annually), unless the Startup goes public, is acquired by a company which does 
not qualify for BizSpark, or fails to abide by BizSpark&#039;s terms and conditions in the Program Materials. 

3. re business in business, it says: &quot;In business for less than 3 years[2], and 
(this is the footnote: 2 Startups who are actively engaged in software development but have not yet completed the formalities of establishing a business  are also eligible for entry into BizSpark.)

In your case the issue is moot (see #2:) but if it were not, I would say it&#039;s open to interpretation - MSFT also says (see above) &quot; but have not yet completed the formalities of establishing a business&quot; - so you can get in before you incorporate....

What Microsoft wants to promote is new startups using their stack, startups being (as far as  I interpret it) that you have one code base you sell for money to many people. It doesn&#039;t matter whether that codebase is compiled and run on a desktop or just runs on a server. But - and this case has come up several times: you&#039;ve got to be selling SaaS or a product: custom developers/consultants/bespoke developers/freelancers/members of teams of big companies - you, AS SUCH, are not eligible. In other words, you&#039;re a contractor, launching your own startup? Great - here you go. Contractor who plans to continue doing code for other people - best wishes, but no go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jackson,<br />
1. You can after leaving BizSpark continue using the development tools (note- not the production licenses!), but until you buy a regular MSDN subscription, you don&#8217;t get updates/upgrades. Now that will work for a while, but if there&#8217;s one thing Microsoft does is fix/update their software! So realistically, you&#8217;re going to need MSDN.<br />
2. You can be in BizSpark 3 years &#8211; regardless of whenever you formed your startup company:</p>
<p>From <a href="http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/d/4/4d41081a-d8d9-407a-9bae-5127e6e931ca/BizSpark%20Startup%20Program%20Guide.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/d/4/4d41081a-d8d9-407a-9bae-5127e6e931ca/BizSpark%20Startup%20Program%20Guide.pdf</a>:</p>
<p>How long can I participate in BizSpark?<br />
For three years (renewed annually), unless the Startup goes public, is acquired by a company which does<br />
not qualify for BizSpark, or fails to abide by BizSpark&#8217;s terms and conditions in the Program Materials. </p>
<p>3. re business in business, it says: &#8220;In business for less than 3 years[2], and<br />
(this is the footnote: 2 Startups who are actively engaged in software development but have not yet completed the formalities of establishing a business  are also eligible for entry into BizSpark.)</p>
<p>In your case the issue is moot (see #2:) but if it were not, I would say it&#8217;s open to interpretation &#8211; MSFT also says (see above) &#8221; but have not yet completed the formalities of establishing a business&#8221; &#8211; so you can get in before you incorporate&#8230;.</p>
<p>What Microsoft wants to promote is new startups using their stack, startups being (as far as  I interpret it) that you have one code base you sell for money to many people. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether that codebase is compiled and run on a desktop or just runs on a server. But &#8211; and this case has come up several times: you&#8217;ve got to be selling SaaS or a product: custom developers/consultants/bespoke developers/freelancers/members of teams of big companies &#8211; you, AS SUCH, are not eligible. In other words, you&#8217;re a contractor, launching your own startup? Great &#8211; here you go. Contractor who plans to continue doing code for other people &#8211; best wishes, but no go.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-30079</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob,

I was wondering if you could help clarify what happens after the program ends.

I&#039;m looking at their FAQ and it says, &quot;Startups can continue to use the development tools they previously obtained through the program. If Startups wish to continue to receive updates to development tools, Startups can renew their MSDN subscription at usual rates and terms.&quot;

So I assume that means after 3 years we can continue to use the software free-of-charge? And only if we decided to get updates do we need to pay the full price?

My main concern is that we incorporated about 2 years ago, so if we join, then we can only be in the program for 1 more year. And if we&#039;re required to purchase the full license after the 3rd year then I need to budget accordingly.

* * *

Also, if you don&#039;t mind another question, is the 3 year term based on when you incorporated or when you started to sell?

Because even though we incorporated last year, we didn&#039;t begin to sell until this year.

Thanks for the help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>I was wondering if you could help clarify what happens after the program ends.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at their FAQ and it says, &#8220;Startups can continue to use the development tools they previously obtained through the program. If Startups wish to continue to receive updates to development tools, Startups can renew their MSDN subscription at usual rates and terms.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I assume that means after 3 years we can continue to use the software free-of-charge? And only if we decided to get updates do we need to pay the full price?</p>
<p>My main concern is that we incorporated about 2 years ago, so if we join, then we can only be in the program for 1 more year. And if we&#8217;re required to purchase the full license after the 3rd year then I need to budget accordingly.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Also, if you don&#8217;t mind another question, is the 3 year term based on when you incorporated or when you started to sell?</p>
<p>Because even though we incorporated last year, we didn&#8217;t begin to sell until this year.</p>
<p>Thanks for the help!</p>
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		<title>By: 47 Hats - I&#8217;m disappointed.</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-30068</link>
		<dc:creator>47 Hats - I&#8217;m disappointed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 47Hats is now a Microsoft BizSpark Partner and BizSpark vs. Empower should answer any [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29803</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there&#039;s no law saying you have to be one company - and sole proprietorship is fine for BizSpark....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there&#8217;s no law saying you have to be one company &#8211; and sole proprietorship is fine for BizSpark&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29802</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad about the 3-yr limit. I formed my business (LLC) a few years ago, but then gave away my first product for quite a while before getting serious and &quot;going commercial&quot;. 

Otherwise, my company could be a perfect fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad about the 3-yr limit. I formed my business (LLC) a few years ago, but then gave away my first product for quite a while before getting serious and &#8220;going commercial&#8221;. </p>
<p>Otherwise, my company could be a perfect fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29801</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - thanks, it was a lot of hard work. After 3 years, 1) You need to pay for regular development and production licenses for all software and 2) Everything still works, but your MSDN premium subscription goes away so you can&#039;t get updates/upgrades.

Re time limit when to jump on BizSpark - none that I know of. I can&#039;t see a reason why Microsoft would do anything but improve/extend BizSpark as time goes by: they really want web apps on their stack.

Kam - Yes it does. Figuring that&#039;s what, $3k a developer, that&#039;s $12K you save right there. Email me at bob.walsh@47hats.com with the word BizSpark in the subject if you want to apply through me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; thanks, it was a lot of hard work. After 3 years, 1) You need to pay for regular development and production licenses for all software and 2) Everything still works, but your MSDN premium subscription goes away so you can&#8217;t get updates/upgrades.</p>
<p>Re time limit when to jump on BizSpark &#8211; none that I know of. I can&#8217;t see a reason why Microsoft would do anything but improve/extend BizSpark as time goes by: they really want web apps on their stack.</p>
<p>Kam &#8211; Yes it does. Figuring that&#8217;s what, $3k a developer, that&#8217;s $12K you save right there. Email me at <a href="mailto:bob.walsh@47hats.com">bob.walsh@47hats.com</a> with the word BizSpark in the subject if you want to apply through me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kam</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29800</link>
		<dc:creator>Kam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I&#039;ve dug through the documentation, and also understand that VSTS is licensed per user ... if we meet the criteria and have (4) developers, does that mean we qualify for (4) VSTS licenses through BizSpark?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve dug through the documentation, and also understand that VSTS is licensed per user &#8230; if we meet the criteria and have (4) developers, does that mean we qualify for (4) VSTS licenses through BizSpark?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29799</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I wanted to give you props for the Startup 101 session.  I thought it was a great webcast series.  In my opinion it is really nice to see Microsoft kickoff the BizSpark initiative right after the Startup 101 sessions.  With that said I have a few questions for you.


Do you know what happens after three years?  Can you still use the current software you had access to through the BizSpark program after the three year commitment runs out?

Do you think there will be a time limit towards jumping on the BizSpark initiative?  Do you think this will stick around? 

Thanks,
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I wanted to give you props for the Startup 101 session.  I thought it was a great webcast series.  In my opinion it is really nice to see Microsoft kickoff the BizSpark initiative right after the Startup 101 sessions.  With that said I have a few questions for you.</p>
<p>Do you know what happens after three years?  Can you still use the current software you had access to through the BizSpark program after the three year commitment runs out?</p>
<p>Do you think there will be a time limit towards jumping on the BizSpark initiative?  Do you think this will stick around? </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: 47 Hats - MicroISV Digest</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29797</link>
		<dc:creator>47 Hats - MicroISV Digest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] program for startups - you&#8217;ll find more info in these BOS posts here and here, and my take here and here. If you&#8217;re interested in getting what BizSpark has to offer, email me. I&#8217;m a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] program for startups &#8211; you&#8217;ll find more info in these BOS posts here and here, and my take here and here. If you&#8217;re interested in getting what BizSpark has to offer, email me. I&#8217;m a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julien</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29791</link>
		<dc:creator>Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you don t have to be incorporated to join Bizspark. if you plan to create an ISV in the next few months, you can join right now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you don t have to be incorporated to join Bizspark. if you plan to create an ISV in the next few months, you can join right now</p>
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		<title>By: Appraisal Mind Software</title>
		<link>http://www.47hats.com/2008/11/47hats-is-now-a-microsoft-bizspark-partner/comment-page-1/#comment-29774</link>
		<dc:creator>Appraisal Mind Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I am not in US, but thanks for advice. I plan to incorporate at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am not in US, but thanks for advice. I plan to incorporate at some point.</p>
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